Saturday, June 20, 2009

Offshoring Classes

I came across this post on the internet that details the how companies now give classes on how to deal with offshore teams. It sounds absurd. It is clear that we are dealing with an Indian workforce that is ill equipped to do I.T. work:


Interesting class – pretty generic. Things like don’t take a response at face value on things that are critical, like project status. You will often get told what you want to hear rather than the truth. You need verification. If you really want to know the status, you probably want to befriend someone on the offshore team who will tell you, outside meetings, a bit more of the way things really are progressing, issues the team is having, and things like that. Because it is a society with so many people, people will cut corners to get the things they want. There is a ton of competition and you have to take whatever opening you have any way you can. They are very impressed with degrees and certifications. You need to throw them out all over the place to get any respect. Your business card needs to look like a reading chard. PMP, MSc, etc. (Which I am sure is a lot of the reason people feel compelled to fake them).

Verification is key – especially in a formal situation and/or where there are different levels of management hierarchy involved. A lower rank person will rarely if ever be honest if someone over them in the reporting structure gives you an inaccurate response.

Look for proof – if the team says they are 50% or 75% or whatever complete with something, do frequent reviews of what they have accomplished. This is also true because although you document everything to a great degree, the interpretation of that is often way off.

Just from my own development team, some of my takeaways were things like

a) if you document it very clearly, but wrong, until the team gets really comfortable with you they’ll usually not call it to your attention.

b) when they do decide to get innovative, it’s frequently nothing like you expect it would be and you won’t get told about it unless you specifically ask

c) you have to have mock-ups, playbacks, etc. if you don’t, you won’t see the results until they are pretty much cast in stone and they are expensive to change. The challenge is that the team won’t want to show you stuff that’s partially done.

A really interesting example they gave in the class was enlightening because it made a lot of sense from a project standpoint (this is very rough, but you’ll get the idea). One of the trainers lived in the US but her mom still lived in India. For a gift, she had a ceiling fan installed at her mom’s house and she had the work done remotely. When it was all finished, she asked her mom how it turned out and her mom said it was really nice, but there wasn’t an on/off switch. When the lady called the contractor, the contractor said she hadn’t asked for a switch, so they didn’t install it. One of the things reminded ourselves of as we prepared requirements later was “document the switch.” If you don’t specify pretty much everything, too frequently it’s not there – even if it’s ridiculous not to have it there. Or it will be put in, but in a way you never would have expected, and no one will likely tell you about it until it’s all complete.

We had so many examples where this was true in the work we saw if we were not detailed enough (we are talking about deep, deep requirements). Another example was a pop-up window from an application that needed to have several fields filled out. Only the popup window was about 3x3 and you couldn’t get to most of the fields. No navigation and the window was too small anyway.

A lot of you have worked with offshore teams. Are these some of the experiences you’ve had? What else? In some ways, in retrospect (my immediate team is now all onshore because we just had so many issues with a multi-geo model) it’s funny to look back and see some of the inane results we had as a result of cultural differences, difficulties in communication (time overlap, language, etc), not having the right level of detail, and struggling with hierarchical mindsets (sheesh – send an email to someone telling them they need to do something a bit different and it has to get copied to 5 levels of management). Or- and I can’t even tell you the number of times this happens – send an email with 5 very specific itemized questions and get a half-assed answer to one thing. Keep sending email back and forth about 12 times until you get the full answer to all of your questions. And try to do this in some kind of a hurry (ok – have to skip email and have an 11 pm or 6 am meeting to get it cleared up).


I saw this kind of shit at the Curry Den. An Anglo manager would go up to an Indian and try to get to the bottom of some bug, and the manager would have to explicitly request that the fucking Indian not lie to him. These were his exact words:

"I DON'T WANT YOU TO LIE TO ME"

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61 Comments:

At 12:12 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every one knows that Hindu-Indians are not as productive as Westerners. But Western countries and the rest of the World (including China) population is aging except India. And markets in all the developed countries are saturated (How many Iphones and Cars can one person buy ???)

So that's one of the reason that Developed countries are trying to take advantage of the 'Hinglish' speaking 1.2 Billion Indian population (of which half are below 35 years of age) either by issuing them visas to or trying to market the products in India.

Take Australia for example. It has too many universities disproportionate for its small 20 million population and was badly in need of funds , so it has to look for the Western crazy Hindu-Indian 'Hinglish' speaking youth to support its 1.5 Billion dollars education industry. Of course, in the end, these Hindu-Indian 'students' used this opportunity for permanent immigration.

Its all about the economics.

 
At 12:35 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

Not surprising. Reminds me of the story of the guy @ Sun who had an Indian on his team and revealed that the Indian guy was working there for over 2 years before he figured out he was supposed to tell the truth in meetings.

And then there's this line from the moron who wrote it:

"do frequent reviews of what they have accomplished."

Gee, isn't that standard software development practice.

Funny you should mention lightswitches. Many of these offshore debelopers have never even *seen* a lightswitch in their lives. And American managers seriously expect them to be able to understand how to write software? No wonder the world economy is such a mess.

As the email reveals, most of the projects are now coming back as the time difference, remoteness, etc us just too difficult to deal with - which is why they are pushing for more guest worker visas.

All this just confirms what we have known all along: the curryfaced idiots are all incompetent morons who can't do the work and the managers are all moron MBA types who think every business can be reduced to money only.

Good job Corporate America - you just killed the goose that laid the golden egg with your cheap labor fantasies.

 
At 2:25 PM , Anonymous EricSmith said...

"Take Australia for example."

Why not take Japan and Germany as example?

"Its all about the economics."

India has over a billion population, but 85% live under $1.75 a day and 40% live under $1 a day, how much can Indians spend?

Indian over excessive population is a time bomb, not an advantage.
In the future, Indians
will have to ask: “ how many gallons of water can one Indian afford?"

 
At 2:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Teri maan ki choot main mere suar ka lund harami ke pille. Your white arsed mom loves being fucked by my pet pigs and dogs. We will teach you how to fuck your own daugthers and sisters in your own beds. You dicksucking idiots.

 
At 2:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

your president obama is busy sucking muslim dicks in the middle east. This is proven by the recent speeches he gave praising the muslims. I am sure you follow his glorious example and suck muslim dicks. And a lot of muslim pigs visit your home and fuck your mom sister and daughter and you shameless americans watch them being fucked and get excited and jerk off. I am also sure you are a product of your father fucking your grandmom. So your father is a madarchod and you to.

 
At 4:27 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

Who cares what the president does. Government is irrelevant. It's the American workforce that matters.

 
At 7:10 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh so your president is busy selling your country and you dont even care LOL!!

 
At 7:25 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is nice to see your racist white butts burning with rage at Indians taking your jobs away. You assholes deserve it.

 
At 7:37 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You americans are such losers as compared to the Indian American community.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, Indian American median family income is $61,322 as against the national median family income of $41, 994. The high income clearly reflects the advanced educational levels achieved by the community.

Lol

I hope your butts burn more after reading the above info.

Now get off your fat burning ass and start working.

 
At 8:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@2:25 PM Eric Smith...

'India has over a billion population, but 85% live under $1.75 a day and 40% live under $1 a day, how much can Indians spend? '.

This might be true 20 years ago. But not any more, believe me. Currently, only 25% of the Indian population (300 million out of 1.2 Billion population, though still huge) live below poverty line.

The rest of the Hindu-Indian population are doing well. Outsourcing of all sorts are the reason behind this. Also lot of the money circulation in India is 'black' money (unaccounted due to rampant corruption at all levels). And Hindu-Indians are also notorious for stashing gold and cash under their house floor.

There is a proverb - 'India is poor, but Indians are rich'.

 
At 9:44 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

"racist white butts"?

No racism going on there right?

 
At 9:46 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

"The high income clearly reflects the advanced educational levels achieved by the community."

Or it reflects a mastery of deception and organized crime griftology - commonly known in Silicon Valley as The Indian Mafia.

The Italian Mafia in NY has lots of money too. And it's not because they are educated, or more productive, I can assure you. It's because they are masters of organized crime - like you.

 
At 5:30 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bad news for anonymous: Westerners aren't aging like they used to. And, we a) can't retire, and b) don't want to, c) and are more than willing to influence our elected representatives. The prospect of us all being tossed out to make way for young third-worlders already horrifies our social planners. So, anyone in the third world should not be holding their breath for us all to politely retire and let you have our jobs and our land.

 
At 8:23 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

MIKE AND TUNNEL RAT (if in fact they are different persons. Lest, then I would like to meet this Psycho
from SCAL , to release my Psycho # 2 film starring Mike Ambrose who developed multiple personality
disorders , when Apple Kicked him out !!! )
are the 2 extreme poles of a bipolar disorder , after these fucks got kicked out.
And whatever SHIT I think about the VB front end kind of s/w that you wrote mike....I can get it done in a cyberface in India for some Rs 1000.
I disagree slightly with Ranjit over here that Indians are these self motivated class of people whose whole and sole is to destroy the US workforce. He may have understandably said it in anguish
What these MORONS, ASSHOLES, IMBECILES DONT UNDERSTAND IS THAT the REAL PEOPLE WHO , DESGINED DEVELOPED , IMPLEMENTED AND ARE NOW MAINTAING THE OUTSOURCING INDUSTRY ARE UR LOVELY WHITE COUSINS WORKING AS YOUR MANAGERS. WE DONT MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
ITS LIKE THE MacD.$0.89 Burgers...cheapest in town. Poor mans meal. But not the best food if your fat assed like Mike or TR ( yeah ass warming to write blogs is not considered productive form of work ) , or have diabetes or Ichemic Heart Disease. That DOES NOT MEAN, the MacD shuts down for you....you moron...if its not value to you DONT go there. MacD Still remains open for business.
( here I am NOT comparing the quality of outsourced work to MacD products . Just comparing the business model . The quality of outsourced work is comparable/better/or sometimes short.It all depends how you laid out the specs and your ability to gauge the contractor )


Duh...I really dont know ...how it started.........TR, Mike .......some possibilities .... :

<> did one of you ever try to stick a finger in your bosses wife/daugther's ...piano....
<> or maybe you really did not like your boss trying to stick his finger in your wifes/daughters piano ...
<> .or maybe Mike or TR refused to respond to your bosses sincere attempts , when in the restroom he threw that anoynimous "you really make me wild...how about Friday ? " pink colored greeting card .....when you were sitting in your throne ?
Now... I can see why they decided to kick you folks out and come to us. You should know that sexual discrimination and sexual orientation disscrimination is taken very seriously....and was'nt he elected in California around the time this happened. ?

FACT OF THE MATTER REMAINS THAT THE OUTSOURCING SWITCH IS TURNED ON BY UR WHITE AMERICAN BOSSES.
WE ARE PAWNS IN THE GAME.
THE FACT IS AS RIGHTLY SAID ON YOUR WEBSITE HEADERS , "YOUR CONFIRMED COWARDS" , COS YOU DONT HAVE THE BALLS TO MUDSLING BOA MANAGERS, ELSE THEY'D REALLY TEN FOLD YOUR FUCKING MORTGAGE, AND SUE YOU TUNNEL , TORCHING IT FROM ITS STINKING BOTTOM ALL THE WAY TO ITS FOUL TOP.
SO WHAT DO U DO ....U MUDSLING INDIANS..THAT IS THE ONLY WAY U CAN GET CHEAP MEDIA ATTENTION.
W-H-AT A B-L-O-O-D-Y L-O-O-S-E-R Y-O-U A-R-E ...!!!!
But I've got news for you ..you assholes...If we are being paid say $10/hr .....and if we ceased to exist ( like you keep praying so sincerely ....).......in your harms way...you think.....you would live happily ever after ..? WRONG.....
bull shit...they'd go after the filipinos, Poles, Russians at $25/hr and get the job done. Because , it has been infalliably true that INCREASING WAGERS DUE TO INCREASING DEMAND, HAS SQUEEZED THE PROFIT MARGINS OF THE COMPANIES IN THE LATE 70-80'S AND THE ECONOMY CYCLED UP AND DOWN BEING GOVERNED BY SHORTAGE/DEMAND....THAT DROVE UP WAGES.
SO NOW THE INDUSTRY HAS RESIGNED THAT EXPERIENCE ONTO ITSELF, FROM ALL THE EXPERIENCES OF PAST , AND WILL NOT LEAVE ANY STONE UNTURNED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A PLETHORA OF SUPPLY.
IN THE END , IT IS SUPPLY AND DEMAND , THAT IS BIASED IN FAVOR OF THE INDUSTRY AS AGAINST THAT OF THE WORKER.

 
At 2:56 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

Sure - Azim Premji is my white cousin. So is Som Mittal. So are all the NASSCOM Indians who started this mess in 1998 when they hired D.C. lobbyists to get the visa caps raised. Sure - they are all my white cousins.

Do you have any idea how incredibly stupid you sound? India pulled off this con job and cleaned out America and you know it.

Except that now our government has found out and is laying you off one after the other.
Enjoy your unemployment.

 
At 2:58 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

The only MANAGERS I have had problems with are the FOREIGN Managers like Anil Bhanvnani and Lily Tran at Adobe - Indian and Viet Namese respectively. Are they white?

Not to mention Alukah Kamar, and Arun Netravalli who destroyed Quark, and Bell Labs, respectively. They are REAL white, aren't they?

 
At 3:02 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

Indians couldn't even run a MacD if they tried to. They can't even run a motel.

As for specs, I can't count the number of software products I've written where the client reused to even provide any specs - have to do it on the fly, try to understand what they want, and get the product out the door and make sure it WORKS - not some crap garbage like Indians produce. Nor products where a ceiling fan is installed without a wall switch because no one 'specified' a wall switch. You Indians are retarded morons if you can't even figure out on your own what is needed.

 
At 3:07 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

It's also odd that in the 1990s when everyone in USA was being paid HIGH SALARIES the econ was booming. Booming! Why? Because workers were being paid more and had more $ to spend. Now that the Indian cheap labor "cost-cutting" crap has taken over where are we? DEPRESSION! Henry Ford said "I have to pay my people enough to enable them to buy my products". It is not cost that is squeezing companies' bottom lines - but lack of sales because consumers have no money to spend. It took the corporate morons 10 years to figure it out, but now they have figured out that cheap labor and guest workers aren't spending like they thought and now the econ is dying. And now that sales have dropped off a cliff, it's finally starting to affect the executives. They've finally noticed and now they're laying all you slumdogs off. Don't try to deflect attention away from your failures. The whole country knows you caused this mess - with your lies of super talent at low prices (which is impossible in a free-market economy). So now you are all being LAID OFF and SENT HOME as you should be. You've cleaned out and ruined the USA - just admit it and stop trying to deflect blame. The FACT is you have not performed as promised and now it is time for you to go.

 
At 3:24 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Or it reflects a mastery of deception and organized crime griftology - commonly known in Silicon Valley as The Indian Mafia"

Or it reflects the delusions of the demented mind of a low IQ ill-informed average westerner.


"Indians are these self motivated class of people whose whole and sole is to destroy the US workforce"

The so called citizens of the so called most powerful nation on the earth feeling threatened and getting paranoid of people belonging to a so called third world country. That is really laughable

 
At 3:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So, anyone in the third world should not be holding their breath for us all to politely retire and let you have our jobs and our land."

This was'nt your land in the first place you stole it from the red Indians by committing genocide of their populations. You white people are like the HIV virus. You feed on your host and destroy it completely. It were us Indians who faught back and threw your british cousins out of our country

 
At 3:36 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"It took the corporate morons 10 years to figure it out, but now they have figured out that cheap labor and guest workers aren't spending like they thought and now the econ is dying"

Indians are too smart to spend on your useless flat screen TVs and other materialistic nonsense. They understand the value of saving money. You people are stupid. Your whole life is spent in debt. You will fill your homes with useless gadgets live lavish lifestyles even if you have to get in debt for that. And that has been your undoing. It is you who is deflecting blame not us.

 
At 3:45 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

My daughter was set to be a bridesmaid in a wedding in Missouri, in an area so rural that people hunted squirrels, and the bride was registered at Wal Mart ("because that's where our friends feel comfortable"). So she reserved a motel room near her friend's house, so as not to intrude on their privacy, and guess who owns and runs the motel? Yep, another Ranjit. How the hell did an Indian even find this place? Has someone been giving them Rand McNally Road Atlases as part of "takeover" training? He promptly threw my daughter out because she had the audacity to request clean sheets when she noticed that the ones on the bed were, um, used. I guess this is the treatment we can expect from our Indian overlord-wannabes once they get the upper hand. What next, the clay cup? I don't want to find out. We'd better fight!

 
At 4:57 PM , Anonymous H1B Victim said...

@ 8:23 - (to summarize - I think..?) You're right; we don't make the decisions. Upper management does. BUT - What they have now discovered (geez - finally) is that you get what you pay for. Shit in, shit out. Be it labor, products etc., it's always the same.

Although China may make cheap products, in the end you purchase it knowing that the life expectancy is short and it's DISPOSABLE. But the analogy of cheap products to profitable big business is not as balanced.

Corporate America (Delta, Dell, United etc.)is pulling back it's offshore contracts because the customers are complaining and/or it's giving the business a poor image. Public perception is huge and reconsidering outsourcing is rather popular in the news these days.

I've got to challenge the assertion that corporations will go elsewhere for cheap labor. The Indian outsourcing flash-in-the-pan trend of the late 90's will go down in history as a lesson learned; a business model not to be followed. The Satyam scam, the overwhelming number of fake documents, resumes and arrests are in the books and part of history now. You've unfortunately painted yourselves into a corner because of the lack of policing and self regulation. It was truly a golden opportunity but it wasn't recognized. As the saying goes, you don't know what you've got until it's gone and who's flown to Washington now for damage control? It will likely never go away but it's popularity as a profitable business model is clearly waning as questions are being asked and the federal investigations have started.

There are the few that have brilliant insight and great potential but the focus should be developing what you've got at home, not taking selfish advantage of an existing successful industry. We've trained you, take it back and do something with it. Show us up - make something that will make the world stop and pay attention.

You've got to understand - it's hard for us to accept the culture of deception, cheating and theft, we've developed this industry (our country, now that I'm thinking of it) on our own and we don't look at other countries in quite the same manner as you do. We're satisfied with what we've accomplished and we're not looking to another country to scheme and try to make their wealth our own. We're already there, from organization and hard work. You've got to develop it yourselves - that's where we're coming from.

The situation as you all know it has changed, you'd be good to pay attention and prepare for what's coming because really - it's not going to be business as usual any longer.

And the juveniles posting profanity - shouldn't you be busy copying someone else's homework to hand in on monday?

 
At 6:12 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

bah this CodeCorrecter joke character knows nothing about America -- he only knows the wartime America. The peacetime America (which we are transition into as we speak ) is VASTLY different. Wait until the swarms of our American troops return to American society. Right now people like CodeCorrector think America is weak and ripe for the plucking by Indians.. And they think we've always been like this.

he is in for a rather rude surprise when the heart of America returns.

There's a huge difference between wartime and peacetime America.

All the signs are there, with each closed loophole for guest worker fraud, with each new tax for companies that offshore.. we are rising to the peacetime norm again.

Thank God and bless our young men and women in our military who are coming home!!

 
At 8:04 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some jerk wrote: "This was'nt your land in the first place you stole it from the red Indians by committing genocide of their populations. You white people are like the HIV virus. You feed on your host and destroy it completely. It were us Indians who faught back and threw your british cousins out of our country" It may not have been our land from the dawn of time but it is now, and your asses better reserve your tickets home. You would know a lot about parasitism and killing hosts since that's what India has been doing to any American industry it touches. America is not a safety valve for your bloated and hideous overpopulation problem. You'll have to solve that yourselves, back home. Your home, not ours. You wore out any welcome you used to have a long, long time ago.

 
At 8:27 PM , Anonymous EricSmith said...

"The so called citizens of the so called most powerful nation on the earth feeling threatened and getting paranoid of people belonging to a so called third world country. That is really laughable"

Let some chimps get in your home. Tell us how you feel.

 
At 8:46 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

A slumdog never knows how it is to serve in the Armed Forces because they are just leeches. They only want to get the benefits of America but don't want to serve America.
So anonymous slumdog stop talking about our men and women that have served our Great Country. Go home to you own country. They need somebody to oppress the telagus.

 
At 9:03 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

Feeding on your host..... sound like what Indians have done to the USA. You sure havent helped us, that's for sure.

Redman wasn't doing anything with N. America and didn't develop it so someone had to come in and do it.

Brits tried to civilize India and help you but you were too stupid and threw them out - which is why you still have trouble mastering indoor plumbing.

 
At 9:04 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

If Americans have to live in debt it's only because they don't have jobs or their wages have been driven down by slumdogs who are stupid enough to try to do highly skilled work for cheap - note I said "try".

 
At 9:06 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

Every motel in San Jose, CA has been taken over by Indians. I remember one night on a business trip there I drove around for 4 hours trying to find one that was even remotely clean.I finally gave up @ 4AM and drove all the way to SF to get a decent hotel. The Indian Mafia is slowly turning USA into a 3rd world one state at a time

 
At 9:11 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

Indians live and prosper by eying productive country, scheming how to invade them and take over, and send all their wealth home. They're trying it with Japan now but they've found Japan to be much more closed and racist than America is. Indan griftologers are dreaming if they think the Japanese people will tolerate 4 million invading indians invading their companies and destroying them. You'd better choose a new target.

 
At 9:27 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

reading these forums are always fun. What is it with Indians and shoplifting??

http://murthyforum.atinfopop.com/4/OpenTopic?a=frm&s=1024039761&f=8064060382

 
At 9:50 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yawn

Don't you whiteys get bored of all this"go home" BS, when in reality there are more of us coming in and kicking your ass?

See, even if that Durbin bill goes through ( though i doubt it will, the powers beyond are way too strong), only about less than 20% Indians coming in would get cut down, ONLY to be replaced by more Indians coming in via student visas etc, because the H-1B lottery would stop, there would be visas for all students and hence more incentive to come here.

So basically you guys are fucked, and there's pretty much nothing you can do to stop it, i mean you can rant in here and throw about your racists shit, but thats about it.

I suggest all you whiteys who hate the color brown, including Mikey, leave this country and move over to some white country with zero immigration like, iceland or switzerland or something, seriously, i am not saying this in a condescending way, just purely based on realistic facts.

 
At 11:09 PM , Anonymous EricSmith said...

"Indians are too smart to spend on your useless flat screen TVs and other materialistic nonsense. They understand the value of saving money. You people are stupid. Your whole life is spent in debt."

1. Americans save in form of UI, SS and 401K etc. Indians put cash under their beds as savings.
2. America is running on credit economy while India is running on cash economy.

IQ81 never understand Credit (Credibility) means, of course, they don't deserve a chance to use credit.

 
At 3:28 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

And another thing, the shrill Indian denunciations of American worker pay levels compared to them. If they're so smart, how come they never figured out how the economic ecology of America worked (before they wrecked it)? They talk out of both sides of their mouth, wanting to come here, demonstrating for green cards, etc. Yeah, it's a great place: paved roads, covered sewage, 24x7 reliable utilities, lots of emergency services and affordable public ammenities, not acres of families sleeping on sidewalks every night, etc. But do they have any idea about the tax structures that pay to build and maintain all that? Nooooo, they imagine that our salaries were all just spending money for us. Likewise, they are often clueless about the bills we have to pay just to live in America. One in particular was amazed at our household energy bills. Couldn't he figure out what happens to the pipes in your house, and for that matter the people in your house, in a nation where it gets so cold for so much of the year? No, it came as a revelation for this brainiac. I forgone will welcome the egree of these obnoxious, judgemental brainiacs.

 
At 7:00 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

When the wartime American returns back home, the average IQ of the US will fall below its current level of 96.

They will need to import more Indians to prop it back up again.

Mike, looks like blogging is your full-time pursuit. How much is it paying you?

 
At 7:42 AM , Blogger ranjit said...

@Anon 3:45:
"So she reserved a motel room near her friend's house, so as not to intrude on their privacy, and guess who owns and runs the motel? Yep, another Ranjit." - That was hilarious

@Vivek a.k.a Mike: Howdy mate! How have you been, I see you addressed many of your posts towards me in the previous topic.

Believe it or not as much as we deny it, racism lives in America just like caste system lives in India. I don't agree with only white people in this blog and I think its wrong for the Anon to cuss out in this blog.

Having said that I know how racism is in other parts of the world and here in America its much better.

I think mac sucks and vivek/Mike knows it. Man can't even full screen the freaking safari! firefox rocks safari sucks. Hey Mike, I heard jobs got a new liver.. what he needs is a new brain! haha

 
At 7:42 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

When Johnny comes marching home, it can't possibly be any worse that what it already at home in India: http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/lifestyle/bihar-sacks-15000-teachers-for-faking-degrees_100135204.html. These people cause everything they touch to wither: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,435681,00.html

 
At 7:51 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@11.09

Hey you "Neutralized" American citizen EricSmith

Look up the meaning of "credibility" and then see it in the context of your statement. Fucking Borat retard.

 
At 8:11 AM , Anonymous EricSmith said...

"I suggest all you whiteys who hate the color brown, including Mikey, leave this country and move over to some white country with zero immigration like, iceland or switzerland or something,"

IQ81 contradiction.

 
At 8:20 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is only one 'successful' industry in India-

--- Indian 'mafia' Real estate industry ---
This involves land encroachments by common public, land grabbing by politicians kith and kin, earning money via rampant corruption when alloting lands and when issuing permits for commercial and residential buildings. Recent money inflow into this industry is from Hindu-Indians IT 'programmers' in the Western nations.
Its a typical chaotic Third world saga.


Other industries are heavily dependent on the Western and other Developed nations -

1.Bollywood film industry (which shamelessly plagarizes from Hollywood and should be sued for copyright violations).

2. IT industry (always begging for software projects from the West using cheap labor and ending up doing crappy coding).

3. Automobile industry (due to cheap labor and dependent on the West, Japan and South Korea for manufacturing technology).

 
At 10:10 AM , Anonymous Bihar sacks 15,000 teachers for faking degrees said...

Patna, Dec 26 (IANS) The Bihar government has sacked 15,000 teachers for having submitted fake degrees and certificates for recruitment in state-run schools, officials said Friday.”The government issued the sack order Thursday and the services of 15,000 more teachers are likely to be terminated soon on the basis of ongoing inquiry into the fake certificates,” said an official in the human resource development department (HRD).

Following local media reports about candidates for teaching jobs having presented fake degrees, the government directed that all documents be verified by the concerned institutions or universities.

The sacked teachers were appointed last year as part of the first phase of a recruitment drive for government-run schools.

The state’s Human Resource Development Minister Hari Narayan Singh said the government last week blacklisted 75 Bachelor of Education (B.Ed) institutions in India and Nepal to check the fake degree racket and irregularities in the ongoing second phase of the recruitment drive.

Singh said some of the blacklisted institutions are in Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Maharashtra, Orissa, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Punjab. The degrees issued by these institutions were neither recognised by the state government nor the National Council of Teachers Education.

An HRD department official said its 9,000 recruitment centres across the state had received more than 10 million applications for 93,000 teaching posts in the second phase.

 
At 3:40 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

Drubin is going to kick India's ass. DHS already said they will have onsite inspections. More than 1/2 American workforce and you won't be able to hire more H-1Bs. Too bad for you. Student visas won't work because you have to be going to school for that - you won't be able to put in the 70 hours a week required of a good IT job and go to school at the same time.

Besides, based on all the "THEY LET ME GO" posts and panic on Immigration Voice, it's become obvious that the U.S. system has turned on Indians. Now you are going after executive jobs and the ruling classes feel threatened. Do you seriously think they're going to let you do to them what you have done to the IT workforce? The executives and ruling class now feel threatened by Indians - and they are now laying you off and deporting you all over the place.

Sorry, your dream and scams are over. Americans are not about to leave their own country so you can have it. Rather, it is you who will be going home.

Enjoy your flights.

 
At 3:42 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

How can importing more people with an IQ of 81 "prop up" a population that is already at 98? Or even 96?

You frauds are delusional - you are a net drag on the U.S. econ and are dragging us down with you.

And now it is time for you to do.

PS: I am self-employed, independently wealthy, and don't need to work. Hence I spend 110% of my time waging rhetorical warfare against the India, Inc. fraud. Apparently it's working because the USA has no turned on you.

Enjoy your flights home.

 
At 3:43 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

Apple's stock is around $140 while MS's is around $20. I guess offshoring and Indian labor sure has been good for MS.

Apparently even a full-body transplant wouldn't help Ballmer.

 
At 5:07 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes We gonna take over US and make it a better place , suitable place by kicking your asses out of your own country.
The only reason for this is , survival for fittest, and we are the best and the most adaptable.

Also thanks to the recession, making life of you idiots , who got no job except writing on IT grunt and paid in pennies from NumberUSA and others for this, miserable.
We Indians are doing pretty well and making good money(call it mafia or whatever). I really laugh at white ass when they walk up to me asking for pennies and O! Man its so nice to see foreclosures.

Well wanted to write something sensible, but figured ain't worth writing here.

 
At 5:24 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

neutralized? surely you mean neutered? None of the whites on this post sound physiologically normal.

I'm rubbing my hands in anticipation. Hope Obama sends white dumbfucks to Tehran to fight another American war. Hasten the decimation of that unwanted turd race.

 
At 6:57 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kicking their asses out of their own country? Most of them were fresh off the boat not too long ago. What sucks is that they did not have kill all of each other off like in Gangs of New York.

Mike's great-grandfather probably spent his time robbing the Injuns during the day and had a little "Broken Mountain" action with his cowboy friends at night. About the only reason Mike exists is because his nasty ass great-grandmother inserted the "juices" of this action up her holes thinking they would cure her haemorrhoids.

Life's like that. Kill some Injuns in the past. Some Indians sodomize you now. Enjoy the ride, white hos.

 
At 7:48 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow...I just ran into this site and this is one Red Hot Burning site. I love it. Arguments are insane! Lot of it is true and serious. By the way, I hope the makers of this site are not targeting americans of Indian origin becoz that would suck. Off-shoring affects all americans equally. Am I right? Moderator-hope you agree with me.

 
At 7:51 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@3.42 miKKKe

[Apparently it's working because the USA has no turned on you.]

Yes, right.

Fucking Retard

 
At 8:11 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

->Now you are going after executive jobs and the ruling classes feel threatened.

Very interesting point, do you have any evidences to back it up ?

I have seen more and more Indian programmers turning into managers lately, maybe you do have a point after all.

 
At 8:13 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@3.40 Dyke

Durbin bill is GREAT for about 80% of the Indians, it sucks for the TCS/INFY/WIPRO type, but those dudes never stay here, they do their shit and leave.

What will happen is the vacant H-1B visas created by their departure will encourage (already is) lots more Indian students to come in here get their degree and then apply for the freed H-1Bs

And no you fuckface, they wont work while in school, they'll get their degree in about a years time and then start working, displacing retards like you.
So yes, we Indians will be more than happy when Durbin gets his shit through ( though it wont happen, coz of the big $$$$ at stake, esp in terms of protectionist retaliations and other things your pea sized brain wont get).

Infact once (hypothetically) the Durbin bill gets through, they'll increase/recapture a whole bunch of green cards, as the pro-H-1B Lobby would then have an alibi to. ( Its already been worked upon ;-) hint hint )

I can bet that all the desis in here will be equally happy as i am, if it goes through, the only reason i wouldn't want to see it go through, would be to see you and FatRat suffer and probably blow each other up ( dont get excited, not the gay BJ that you enjoy, i am talking about the glock/magnum kind) in depression.

Basically you're fucked either ways, sucks to be you.

 
At 8:34 PM , Anonymous EricSmith said...

"Bihar government has sacked 15,000 teachers for having submitted fake degrees and certificates for recruitment in state-run schools, officials said Friday."

This is a Guinness World Record of Fraud. What can people expect Indian teachers with fake resumes to teach? They can only teach their student how to commit frauds like themselves, how to use foul language like thugs, how to curse like unsatisfied beggars.

 
At 10:30 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

The Guardian is a rad-lib leftist newspaper that hates and America and hates the white race. It's a propaganda rag. No one in America except in Berzerkeley reads that rag. You can dream all you want but whites are not going away anytime soon.

Besides, BusinessWeek last week said the younger generation is too stoopid to keep the economy going - so if the new generation is non-white, that fits in perfectly with what we already know - that non-white grifters are here to take from us and are incapable of sustaining the economy. Which leaves it up to us "old" white folk - which is just what the BW article said.

Keep dreaming, America will be white for at least another century - which means you'll remain a loser for the rest of you life on planet earth until you die - also as a loser.

 
At 10:33 PM , Blogger Vivek said...

More H-1Bs are going to replace me? How are they going to do that? I have my own company that I control and they can't do anything about me. I am the one companies come to after they've hired the H-1Bs who have screwed up their projects into unusability. Then I clean up the mess and the product makes $5,000,000-$10,000,000 for the client. That's why I'll always have more work and you'll be getting more and more pink slips and revoked visas. LOL.

Enjoy your flights home.

 
At 2:02 AM , Blogger Vivek said...

Indeed the Indian Mafia can only think one way: how to con, cheat and grift. That is why they have to stick together in packs like any mafia does.

Since India is such an endemically corrupt country with crime and fraud at every level of its society, they can think no other way. When they jump off the plane in USA they can think only in terms of how much $ they can grift out of U.S. companies and how many labor certifications they can fake saying they can't find qualified Americans.

As one TOI writer said "Perhaps we just have a talent for deception and fakery". Go search TOI's website - it's all right there.

 
At 2:08 AM , Blogger Vivek said...

The Indians are turning into managers so that they can control the hiring - laying off more ultra-talented Americans and hiring more slumdogs to fill up companies - but only after asking the Americans to train the incompetent slumdogs first.

As a result, expect another wave of companies failing and asking for bailouts as the Indian Mafia grifts all the companies out. We'll see more big companies cleaned out by India, Inc. After GM, PeopleSoft, Sun, Lehman, Merril, Quark, Bell Labs and Microsoft will come Mastercard, Adobe, and all the other ones that Indian Mafia members like Banga are moving into now.

The Indian Mafia is re-aligning its troops into new and unsuspecting companies - another disaster awaits USA.

 
At 7:27 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

They are also putting forth a concerted effort into running the curriculums in our schools of higher learning.. dont let them in, you know what they say about how vampires have to be INVITED in .. its true! Don't let them feed on the blood of our best and brightest!

 
At 1:57 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Indian "professors" are now teaching offshoring in our business schools as a 'best practice' and an entire generation of American business managers is being created who believe that economic sabotage of their own country is good for them.

 
At 5:39 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

TR, great post. I know a guy who is working at a corp now who has been waiting for one week now to get his computer operational. He has missed meetings with upper mgmt. because his email isn't working and is told he has through the "Help Desk" which is one Indian H-1b guy in Norht Carolina that HP outsources to. Talk about lack of productivity...


You go, Vivek!

We have only the Indo-lobbyists and U.S. payola bound politicians to thank for literally selling our jobs to this third world country.

You write:

"It's also odd that in the 1990s when everyone in USA was being paid HIGH SALARIES the econ was booming. Booming! Why? Because workers were being paid more and had more $ to spend. Now that the Indian cheap labor "cost-cutting" crap has taken over where are we? DEPRESSION! Henry Ford said "I have to pay my people enough to enable them to buy my products". It is not cost that is squeezing companies' bottom lines - but lack of sales because consumers have no money to spend. It took the corporate morons 10 years to figure it out, but now they have figured out that cheap labor and guest workers aren't spending like they thought and now the econ is dying. And now that sales have dropped off a cliff, it's finally starting to affect the executives. They've finally noticed and now they're laying all you slumdogs off. Don't try to deflect attention away from your failures. The whole country knows you caused this mess - with your lies of super talent at low prices (which is impossible in a free-market economy). So now you are all being LAID OFF and SENT HOME as you should be. You've cleaned out and ruined the USA - just admit it and stop trying to deflect blame. The FACT is you have not performed as promised and now it is time for you to go."

 
At 9:35 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vampires - hmmm... the blood-sucking analogy is quote appropriate.

The Japanese have a proverb: "Let a stranger in and he will drive you from your home".

 

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