The Most Disgusting Thing I've Ever Read
Three of my four mortgages (that's right, I have four, on two houses) that were with CountryWide are now handled by Bank Of America, ever since the slumdogs destroyed CountryWide.
Think I'm making a leap of logic by tying the failure of CountryWide to the slumdogs? I'm now reading a book called Chain of Blame that writes about how CountryWide outsourced their loan application tasks to an INDIAN COMPANY:

That explains how all the shit loans got approved. I've already blogged extensively about how Indian offshoring destroyed this country's economy.
FYI, CountryWide was the ultimate Curry Den:
As for off-shoring, Countrywide does it more than any other company I've contracted to. Around 75% of the people I worked with were Indian. Unfortunately, companies like Countrywide haven't realized yet that its actually costing them more in the long run by off-shoring. These companies will never understand because the upper management never hears what goes on down in the trenches where the real work is done.
Anyway, I hate BofA. They helped kill an American I.T. pro, Kevin Flanagan.
So whenever I get a chance, I let BofA know what I think. Every time I make a payment, I send this little note:
"I don't think I'm going to be able to make any more payments. My whole department got outsourced to a pack of smelly Indians and I won't have a job soon."
And when they sent me a letter and wanted me to restructure my loans, I had another great opportunity. Here is what I sent the black rep that was handling my file:
Here are the W-2s. Please confirm that you got them. I don’t really want to do business with B of A. Your company is a pack of slave merchants. And as a black man, you should be worried. INDIANS HATE BLACKS.
Now go do some reading, before your job is outsourced, or you end up like Kevin Flanagan:
Kevin Flanagan was a computer programmer who worked for The Bank of America in Concord, California, USA.
Flanagan shot himself to death in the parking lot of Bank of America's Concord Technology Center after he and colleagues were laid off in April 2003. The lay-offs were due to the company outsourcing many computer-related jobs to less expensive workers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Flanagan
When I Googled "Bank Of America Outsourcing" I came across this story from a few years ago that made me want to clean up my Beretta, barge into the Curry Den where I used to work, and aim for some red dots:
BofA: Train your replacement, or no severance pay for youWell, it is a good thing for the slumdogs that I can vent online instead of capping some 9mm rounds into the heads of the shower-shoe wearing jackals at my former place of employment.
David Lazarus
Friday, June 9, 2006
Bank of America has been steadily moving thousands of tech jobs to India. The latest to go are about 100 positions that handle BofA's internal tech support.
While many of the bank's Bay Area techies accept the inevitability of their jobs heading abroad, what rankles them is the fact that, in many cases, they're being told they have to first train the Indians who are getting their gigs.
"If people want their severance packages, they have to train their replacements," a senior engineer at one of BofA's Bay Area facilities told me. "There's nothing in writing that says this -- the bank's been careful about that. But it's made clear at meetings what we're supposed to do."
Shirley Norton, a BofA spokeswoman, confirmed that while workers aren't being explicitly told they have to train their replacements or risk losing severance pay, they are being instructed that severance pay is contingent on satisfactorily completing their jobs.
Completing their jobs, in turn, can include training replacements from India, she said.
"I know that's parsing things a bit," Norton acknowledged. "What we ask associates to do as part of getting severance is that they stay on the job until the job is transitioned.
"It's a common practice when your job is being transferred from one person to another that you train the new person," she added. "We expect our people to stay until their jobs are consolidated."
Making workers train someone from India to take their jobs away isn't unique to BofA. Other U.S. companies reportedly have done the same in recent years.
But BofA stands out because it acknowledged earlier this year that it understands how much the practice offends its U.S. employees.
Barbara Desoer, BofA's chief technology exec, told BusinessWeek magazine in January that she was aware how much grumbling it caused when workers at the bank's Concord technology center were told they'd have to bring their Indian replacements up to speed before being shown the door.
"It caused us to make a greater commitment to our associates," she said. "It caused us to make a larger commitment to explaining the context of changes happening in the marketplace in advance of (changes) happening."
But it apparently didn't cause BofA to stop doing it.
"We've seen a bunch of Indians come through (the Bay Area)," the senior engineer said. He asked that his name be withheld because he's seeking another position within the bank.
"They're very open about it," he said. "They're here to learn our jobs and then leave. Some go back to India, and some settle in Charlotte, where the headquarters is."
Why would BofA hire Indians to work in the United States?
"Because they don't actually work for Bank of America," the engineer replied. "They work for Infosys Technologies and Tata Consultancy Services, which are both in India. They do the work at half the cost of what a U.S. worker gets paid."
Many contractors
BofA's Norton was unable to comment on the bank's contracts with Indian outsourcing firms. But she acknowledged that BofA has many Indian employees and contractors working in the United States.
"There are a lot, in a number of positions," Norton said. "We have been pleased with the quality of the results, the cost savings and the fact that it allows us to have a 24-hour clock."
She said BofA estimates that outsourcing has allowed the bank to save about $100 million over the past five years.
In 2004, BofA opened a subsidiary in India to process transactions and handle other operations. It now employs about 2,000 workers at three different sites.
The bank has also outsourced numerous jobs to Indian companies like Infosys and Tata. "It's a good business practice if you have the right processes in place," Norton said.
Representatives of Infosys and Tata declined to comment.
BofA's increasing reliance on Indian workers was made evident in a 40-minute presentation given last year to some of the bank's U.S. tech employees. BofA distributed DVDs of the presentation to managers companywide in April as part of a new program called Culture Connections.
One of the DVDs made its way into my hands this week, along with supporting materials provided to managers.
The DVD shows a roomful of about a dozen bank employees being told by a blond-haired American manager (who is wearing purple, Indian-looking clothes) that the presentation will assist them in "understanding the Indian culture and who the Indian is."
This is important, the manager continues, because of "the dependency we have on our teammates who are either here in the U.S. who come from India, or who we interact with on a daily basis who reside in India."
She then introduces the presenter, Shiva Subramaniam, who has traveled from India to give an overview of India's culture, including how the country has "specific gods for specific concepts," and how "it's almost impossible to look at an Indian and not associate him with the game of cricket."
He shows a series of slides during the presentation. Clearly visible at the bottom of the screen are the words "Tata Consultancy Services."
Working with Indians
BofA employees were summoned to "team huddles" last month to learn more about working with Indians. The meeting leader's guide for the get-togethers said the goal is "to build a diverse and inclusive workplace and to prepare associates to meet the challenge of working globally."
A "manager message map" for the presentation on India says that "all associates will be expected to participate in this learning experience" by the end of June.
Norton confirmed that nearly all of BofA's 200,000 workers are expected to sit through the presentation.
"We're dealing with a global customer base and a global employee base," she said. "So we've started a program for people to understand international business cultures."
Exporting more work
The senior engineer said many bank workers suspect that the Culture Connections program is intended primarily to smooth the way toward exporting more work to India.
It's also possible that BofA is responding to a 2003 incident in which one of the bank's software programmers in Concord killed himself after his job was outsourced to India.
Meanwhile, there's growing buzz in banking circles that a new focus on attracting Latino customers in the United States will lead to an increased number of call centers being outsourced to Latin America.
BofA's Norton said the India presentation was only the first in a series of a Culture Connections programs. Next up, she said: Latin America.
And thanks to the Insurgency, companies are scared shitless to do what BofA used to do. The word is out, and NO AMERICAN WILL TRAIN A SINGLE FUCKING INDIAN AGAIN.
Well, I take that back. Maybe we will train them to live in a wheelchair.
THERE WILL BE RETRIBUTION
DISCLAIMER: The thoughts expressed on this blog may or may not be the author's own and are protected by the 1st Amendment. Any attempt to reveal his identity by contacting a slumdog hack at Google, or a corrupt Desi sys-admin at his ISP will be dealt with promptly and severely. Civil and criminal penalties may apply if one is found to have used private information in an attempt to get the author fired at the Hindu-only I.T. ghetto he currently works at. In addition, any Desi who attempts to burn the author's house down because they are enraged over his writing will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. This isn't India.
Got something I should know about? Classified company info like tax forms, org. charts, and emails documenting the ethnic cleansing of American programmers at the hands of the H[indu]-1B lobby? Email me. tunnelrat at itgrunt dot com.
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Note to slumdogs: All death threats will be reported to the authorities -- it is pretty easy to track you down and get your ass deported once we have your email info.

79 Comments:
Can you post the name of the book on Countrywide? I need to add them to the list of failed companies killed by Indians in my book.
http://consumerist.com/305781/countrywide-mortgage-adjustment-getting-outsourced-to-india
Thanks for the link, Vivek.
I've updated the post with a link to Chain of Blame.
LMFAO
Motherfucker racist Mike is now getting scared of being googled into this blog and getting his racism exposed, thats why he's changed his nym to Vivek. And then he acts like he doesn't care about being called a racist LMFAO. What a fucking loser.
Go empty your bladder at the Senior Center shithead, you're scared shit and peeing all over this blog.
Hey anon, AKA Rajit:
Nobody in America gives a shit if someone is on record for combating the slumdogs. In fact, it will now get you a job.
Americans in I.T. HATE SLUMDOGS. And if they see a resume, and happen to Google the name and find out that the guy HATES SLUMDOGS and has been exposing their lies and fraud, HE GETS THE JOB.
As long as that hiring guy is not a Desi or Slumdog, that is. And since most are getting deported, the crackers are now back to doing the hiring and INDIANS NEED NOT APPLY.
The Countrywide example just proves what I have been saying all along: that the U.S. economic collapse and all these failed companies can be traced right back to India, Stink. Every single one of them had outsourced to useless Indian grifters who couldn't do the work before they collapsed. And its not just me saying it anymore. Maybe Fraudwha can call that "spreading lies" on his blog. Funny but everyone from me to new BOOKS are exposing these so called lies for the truth that they are.
Ranjit The Anonymous keeps trying to deflect attention away from the main issue: Indian, Inc. economic failure, by shouting "racism! racism!" but Americans don't care. Everyone from me to Savage, to Lou Dobbs has exposed this fraud and the whole country knows about it now - which is why you are all being deported and having YOUR VISAS REVOKED! HA HA! Rather it is you who are scared - scared of being deported for the FRAUDS that you are.
Please name something you have done Ranjit - other than collect paychecks and not produce anything.
Do you seriously think by calling ME a racist you are going to stop prominent American media figures like Lou Dobbs from exposing you? Keep dreaming! The whole country knows about your fraud now - that's why Premji came begging to Hitlery Clintong today BEGGING the USA for more jobs. What's wrong? Can't find enough jobs for your Aztec-like people in India? Have to come begging America for jobs? You people must not be as smart as claimed. Maybe you can go ask Jaganatha or Lord Ganesh for some jobs. Lol.
As for changing my name on the blog, I believe it was you who first started posting as anon when I told you we were tracking your IP address. This is MY country - you are the foreigner here. I am not afraid of you or the India, Inc. henchmen. I've got a BIG chrome-plated .45 right beside my bed with YOUR name on it. And I keep it loaded. And if that doesn't do the job I've got my .50 cal Desert Eagle backup in the closet just in case. Come and get me and let's see how you like the taste of hot lead. I dare you.
Besides, I've got $ and I've got lawyers - I can get all that crap about me off the net anytime I want including Google by having my lawyers issue Cease and Desist orders and Defamation complaints. Do you seriously think I am SCARED of what people say about me on the internet? Oh boy! The Big bad Internet is coming to get me. I better run and hide!
I am so talented, employers don't care. After dealing with the garbage work you slumdogs produce they are happy to have a pro-American who can do the work 100 times better with his eyes closed - at TEN TIMES THE COST. $0 cost is too expensive if all they get is big pile of useless crap code that doesn't work because 10 of you morons huddled around a computer trying to get it to work in vain. American companies are fed up with the Indian BS and they are dumping you like the box of of stupid rocks that you are.
Enjoy your FLIGHTS home and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
He forged papers, jumped ship to realise Oz dream
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_he-forged-papers-jumped-ship-to-realise-oz-dream_1265598
Sydney: Some men will go to extraordinary lengths in their pursuit of adventure and fortune. In Gurmeet Singh's case, it meant breaking virtually every conceivable immigration law on planet earth...
Hey Ranjit,
I got the following email comments on my blog tonight. This guy is an INDIAN. Are you going you going to call him a racist too?
"Hi
I have been abroad for 15 years and orginally Indian..
Now ..regarding Indian companies. .. these companies should directly be banned like
wirpo,tcs, infosys,satyam..why they are not providing you any service they are just interested inexploiting cheap labour ..
You are saying 6 %...Pay scale if being affected I feel it is 80%....The it industry is just doomed by this industry.. outsourcing.. !! But what they do is scary ..They get enginners ..
who can be fakes ..and with lot of fake experience to sit in their company and they will claim they have that skill,
The European recruiters are much smarter to catch these frauds.
One more thing fake pride is creating a lot of trouble.. I had seen lot of Indians bragging they are the best and all those fake lies which result in people getting annoyed..
The other problem is lies and greediness. is always there in Indian company..I know it is human..But you know what I like in usa..is there are some super rich guys who have set up companies and after making the profit they give to poor ..for some social cause..
that is what is required..
Now regarding city bank ceo vikram pandit ..He will be shipping all the jobs to the Indian outsourcing firm..
I Bet he is doing this ..I hate him cause he is just trying normal Indian tricks to stay in his job..the lie how he said ..i will take only 1 dollar as my monthly pay and then he took monthly bonus which was very high and it just showed his typical Indian nature .
Americans have to be smart to identify the blood suckers..Lot of people trying to suck your blood..wipro,tcs ,infosys are just examples of this..
I had seen how people work here for 4 months and get paid 200 dollars and they wer every happy enginners..THese are the frauds which occur here..
Just telling my thoughts..
Why I like usa.. is they spend a lot of money on research but there are so many blood suckers trying to rob them..which is not fair.
H1 visa should be made in such a manner that these companies should be blackl isted
even still it wont solve the problem..People who set compnaies should be allowed but theere shoudl be a proper audit. .LIke it should not happen the company is set and it becomes a hole from which all ur money goes from your country to some other country..
That is possible cause of outsourcing..
FOr h1 visa normally a person is abused in India too..
I THINK The uk system of hsmp is more intersting they just get the talented guys..directly.and once u reach there unless ur truly talented its then only you get a work permit..
Something shoudl be done by which the companeis wont have a hold in issuing hsmp..
cause it is just a misuse visa..
And when wipro is telling usa to open up the ecenomy tell them to open indian ecenomy first.. they are never open..like you cant buy a american car here in india..it has dutys which is charged 200%....same you can do. atleast for outsourced jobs.
Efforts needs to be done to kick of these outsourcing companies..
They are danger for the full world.
Thanks"
[Well, it is a good thing for the slumdogs that I can vent online instead of capping some 9mm rounds into the heads of the shower-shoe wearing jackals at my former place of employment.]
LOL
Hey you white fat lazy tard of whale blubber, you cant do SHIT, i and all the desis LAUGH at you, all this BS means nothing bahenchod, you can talk all you want, but in the end we Indians are butt raping your kind and making you all homeless, this is the ground reality betichod.
and btw, you are NOT protected against speech that incites physical violence against a community, we have checked this and our lawyers have confirmed it all. Just so you know, every second member and his first born of the anti insurgency are privy to knowing who you are, mr FAT FACE , why don't you loose some weight instead of acting tough in here,
You cant do SHIT to us, we are stronger, bigger and more powerful then your mom would have ever imagined. Just be happy your Desi boss hasn't got pissed of with you YET ;)
Kevin
How much ever i respect your zeal and initiative to get something done, against all this exploitation of the American worker, but in that adrenaline rush, you guys come across as being xenophobic racists. I would love to show this blog to my colleagues and spread the word, but cant because it just comes across like another racially motivated hate site.
I did show this blog some days back at work, and nobody took it seriously, if you guys do have another site which is more serious and professional, let me know, i'd love to spread the word around.
Thanks
That you are an idiot is a foregone conclusion. With that out of the way, let's deal with facts, shall we?
Data entry is merely a process of entering data into a database for the purpose of running a model against it. Since the average American got his eyes blurry dealing with numbers larger than 2 digits, they probably outsourced those jobs.
There ends the role of Indians in this sham.
Models are then run against this newly available electronic data to parse out risk characteristics of a loan applicant. There are plenty of assumptions that need to be made about the risk for default, prepayment, direction of interest rates, etc. Most of these assumptions are very susceptible to the state of the economy.
Calculating probabilities of this kind is called Bayesian (it combines number crunching with subjective analysis of the risk factors associated with a loan-seeker).
The final call about whether a mortgage is sanctioned is probably left to the discretion of a loan officer. That person probably is a white idiot in a JC Penney suit who flunked arithmetic in middle-school. In the good state of the world, it does not matter what this monkey does. In the bad state of the world, the equation dramatically changes as one ramps up the no longer thin tail of some bell shaped probability function drastically increasing the underlying cumulative probabilities of failure. This is the fundamental of an important concept called Value at Risk (VaR).
For now, you should be thankful you finally learnt to spell Beretta. You have a ways to go before you make strides in understanding mortgages (like being reborn as an Indian guy who got beyond addition at age 5).
I challenge you to shoot an Indian with your peashooter. If you possess a single testicular cell, you will do it today. You're probably some sissy who buries his weeping head alternately between the sagging boobs of his overweight wife and his daughter crying about the idiocy of having taken on 4 mortgages when a trailer park was what you deserved.
@6:07 - Do you live in a fucking cave? Do you think this is the only place where the systematic ethnic cleansing of non-Indians in I.T. is publicized?
I don't write to amuse people like you and your lefty friends. I am here to let the world know that the denigration, discrimination, and displacement of Americans has consequences, and some may not be pretty.
Just a warning, not a threat.
And how the fuck can a foreigner like me, one who came here at the age of four, be a xenophobe? I am genetically prohibited from fearing foreigners.
I don't fear Indians. Some I hate, others I distrust, and some I admire and like. Like any other race.
So STFU.
Anon here..
Is it some sick joke of sort ?!
An 'India Brand Equity Foundation' study seems to have shown that around 300k jobs are created by Indian brand companies in USA.
News item in The Economic Times follows:
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India Inc created 3,00,000 jobs in US: Study
18 Jun 2009, 1932 hrs IST, PTI
WASHINGTON: When the Indian outsourcing industry is being blamed for taking away American jobs, a study has found that corporate India has created employment for 3,00,000 people in the US between 2004 and 2007.
An India Brand Equity Foundation study released here yesterday by Commerce and Industry Minister Anand Sharma mentioned $105 billion contribution by the Indian industry to the US economy during 2004-07.
"This revealed a story of commitment to optimise and to invest in the future of the relationship," Sharma said.
The $50-billion Indian outsourcing industry has come in for a major attack in the US, bolstered by President Barack Obama's calls to the US companies to move from Bangalore to Buffalo.
Concerned over the backlash in the US, the Indian industry has been trying to lobby with influential Americans and opinion leaders about the benefits that the American can derive from developing economies.
@Vivek: or Mike?!
If TR publishes this post that would be good.
Dude lmao.. I don't know why TR wont put up my posts and NO I AM NOT THE ANON! God, thats kinda cool that you guys don't know when I post and when I don't and its funny to see Mike taking this personal and changing his name!
TR owes me one actually, a guy sent me an email the other day thanking me for my posts here on itgrunt.com - subject read "Your wonderful defense on itgrunt", desi as usual was infuriated and wanted to track TR.
Second email :
How abt exposing this sob ?
R u doing something more than appreciation ?
My response:
What would you do by exposing him, I don't think that will do anything.
He is giving his opinion on the internet, I don't see why that is wrong.
I rather write back countering his opinions rather than exposing him - which I am doing.
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I guess he kinda calmed down and the emails died eventually. I can't give his name, I think its not ethical to do so.
So STFU Vivek/Mike because I am not a racist nor do I bring that up in my attempt to get jobs. I just want everything and everyone to be fair. A piece of bread for me then the same to you too. If a piece of bread for the 4 year old TR then why not for me?
Dude you want my ipaddress, reverse check http://www.rjonline.us, you can also see me there.. and yeah track me back to san antonio.
You are stupid, instead shoot me an email I will give you my address and show up with you desert eagle. I will knock you to the grown with my elbow and break your jaw before you have a chance to cock the gun!
@Anon: "I challenge you to shoot an Indian with your peashooter. If you possess a single testicular cell, you will do it today. You're probably some sissy who buries his weeping head alternately between the sagging boobs of his overweight wife and his daughter crying about the idiocy of having taken on 4 mortgages when a trailer park was what you deserved"
That was an amazing offensive buddy! keep it up! the most funniest thing ever!
Wow, TR is flip-flopping again..."I don't fear Indians. Some I hate, others I distrust, and some I admire and like. Like any other race." this is first from Tunnel like "I admire some..". Anno. great post and explaination abt mortgage process. Like I said before, Mike and TR are somebody who workes as a "Toilet Cleaners" in sanitation department having no formal education not even a highschool diploma and they talk abt rocket science dosent go well..( This is just an analogy ok!!)..but they way this duo ( Mike and TR) posts comment such a way that .."My way or Highway"..Mike is already 59..so he cant grow up..he need to go to doctor/hospital and get admitted for life..TR if you still have some sense left..please grow up.. see..I used to daily visit your blog..but irrational comment made me think.."ahh, its not worth a second"...
Rape as national entertainment
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/erratica/entry/shiney-saga-rape-as-national
Mumbai should slap an entertainment tax surcharge on the rest of India. Whether from box office or botox office, its celebrities have been working overtime to serve an important social agenda. They have diverted attention from such potentially disruptive issues as racist pigs, swine flu, and BJP rats deserting the sinking lotus. Thank heaven for big girls with big rocks, and big boys with big uhmm.
Well it's nice to see Ranjit The Anonymous admit that Indians are here to rape the U.S. rather than "help keep America competitive".
Thanks for proving our entire point for us.
You may also want to check out guestworkerfraud.com where I chronicle the Desi abuses.
BTW - I've got news for you - the whole world is racist - India being the worst offender - Indians themselves admit it. India has LAWS on the books making it illegal to hire Americans there. Hows' that for racism?
Until you fools drop your politically correct attitudes and realize that we have been INVADED by FOUR MILLION anti-white, anti-westerners from India, our economy is never going to recover.
There is nothing wrong with celebrating white European heritage. Blacks have NAACP. Hispanics can have national Hispanic History Month - but whites can't celebrate their culture? Get over it man. Racism is natural and in fact is present everywhere in the world. Stop with the PC and instead start spending what little brainpower you have trying to SAVE YOUR COUNTRY.
Blather all you want about statistical nonsense which means nothing but the bottom line is, the desis screwed up the Countrywide mortgage stuff causing loans to be approved when they shouldn't have been BECAUSE JUST LIKE WITH IT INDIANS HAVE NO EXPERIENCE IN THE MORTGAGE BUSINESS. MORE INDIA INC GRIFT AND FRAUD. What makes you people think you can suddenly go from not having indoor plumbing for 5000 years to overnight being able to run every industry that America runs just as well? You're delusional. India has no experience, knowledge or history in western industries. What makes you think you can possibly just pick them up and make them work? Obviously you can't based on all the companies and industries in the USA that you people have COLLAPSED.
If we are not protected in free speech that 'incites violence' against a particular community, then neither are you.
Next time I am in an airport and I hear some Desis sitting near me saying "We need to wipe out all whites", I am going to go grab the nearest security guard or DHS official and let them know that there are terrorists in our midst.
Two businessmen held for rape in Delhi
NEW DELHI: Two businessmen were arrested here on Thursday for allegedly raping a 28-year-old woman labourer, police said.
Hari Ram and Pintu were arrested after the victim complained to the police about the attack on her on Wednesday.
"The accused are in the business of footwear manufacturing and run a factory in outer Delhi area where the victim used to work," said a senior police officer.
"The victim told police that on June 14 she had gone to take money from the accused. She said that when she reached the factory, they pushed her inside, locked the factory door and then raped her," the police officer added.
Hey Ranjit,
Most Indians are leaving the U.S. Your days of raping our economy are over.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News-By-Industry/Jobs/India-looks-greener-to-foreign-students-as-jobs-dry-up-in-US/articleshow/4669874.cms
http://www.pakistanthinktank.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=88
U.S. High Technology has become vulnerable to stealing by Indian expatriates, whom the U.S. Goverment is trusting with top secrets. An agreement to share U.S.'s most sensitive nuclear technology with India will also result in such technology being passed on to third countries; simply due the the inherent rampant corruption in Indian society as exposed by Transparency International, an Independent International Corruption Watchdog.
I was one of those laid off in January of 2005. My job was taken over by Tata. What galls me most of that while "saving" millions of dollars, they were giving those millions as bonuses to Ken Lewis and his kind!
Oh no! Not another fraudulent INDIAN STUDY! Would that study be like the fake one Fraudwha created saying Silicon Valley will die without foreign-run companies? Silicon Valley is dying WITH foreign-run companies.
And 300,000 jobs for WHOM? For Americans or for 300,000 more imported Indian workers! Come on, we're not stupid.
Besides, you created 300,000 jobs and destroyed 4,000,000? That's a NET LOSS of 3,700,000 jobs. That's the kind of 'help' America doesn't need!
Studies written by Indian lobbyists? Boy that's a good one! Like anyone is going to believe that study.
America is not benefitting from the Indian outsourcing industry - it's killing us. You've been saying 'benefitting, benefitting' for over a decade and all we've got is 'decline, decline', not benefit.
Indians are denying "pieces of bread" to Americans - because 1) you are racists and hate Americans, and 2) because if you hired us, we'd run circles around you and expose you for the incompetents that you are.
Americans 'played fair' for over a decade and we were willing to allow you to live here - UNTIL you decided to start ethnically cleansing us from IT in our OWN COUNTRY. That's when we decided you're no longer 'playing fair'. If you don't play fair, we won't either.
Besides, Indians do not deserve 'a piece of bread' (IT jobs) because you did not significantly contribute to creating the industry or those jobs. Up until 1998 IT was 98% white American males and we made it boom. Then you got to come in here and take all the jobs you didn't help create AND throw those who did work to create the jobs OUT. I understand India is a communist country, but you DO NOT DESERVE THAT WHICH YOU DID NOT HELP CREATE.
You seem to think you are ENTITLED to enjoy the fruits of America without PRODUCING or working to SUSTAIN IT. That is not 'fair' - that is the definition of a PARASITE.
The world owes you nothing. You only GET what you EARN and DESERVE and right now India, Inc. deserves nothing because you have not helped sustain the economy AS PROMISED. There is no free ride in life and America owes you nothing. Maybe if you worked harder and more honestly in your own country, you wouldn't need to live off others like a blood-sucking leech.
TR - I'm appalled that your Beretta is dirty. I thought the first thing they taught you in the Corps was to keep your piece clean!
Me, I'm a Glock man, myself...
How do you Indians sleep at night? Really!!!? YOU'RE RUINING PEOPLE'S LIVES!!!! There are hard working Americans that you are displacing that have bills to pay and children to support. How do you rationalize that when you are trying to fall asleep at night or are you conditioned to ignore those voices in your heads? The US economy is failing because people can't pay their bills. Why? Because they're NOT EMPLOYED.
We are innocent victims at your hands - but you don't care because you're in America right? Who gives a shit what it took to get here! You're displacing people that LIVE HERE. For your own benefit!
When are you going to realize that you're cheap TOOLS for the corporate enterprise, nothing more? Nobody in the US wants you here, we don't need you! Look at the comments around the outsourcing articles circulating online. You all are NOT popular. Japan doesn't want you. Germany doesn't want you. You're getting your ass handed to you in Aus. And you're contracts in the US are starting to get pulled back. When are the outsourcing companies going to realize that you've outstayed you're welcome? You all are like the tobacco industry that insists that smoking isn't harmful in the face of embarrassingly overwheming statistical evidence.
You all are THICK and we're not used to that in the IT industry. Go home. You're not wanted here.
ugh!
Oh... leave. Please. You're killing what everyone sacrificed to build here.
/rant over/..
What most Americans need to learn is that the very Indian people we are importing WANT TO RUIN AMERICAN'S LIVES.
To understand why, you have to understand the history of India. Britain invaded India 250 years ago and India believes that Brits robbed them and made off with all their wealth centuries ago. Combine this with India's race/caste system and it becomes clear why they are here and why they are doing what they are doing: they hate the white race (because of Britain) and they are here to try to recover what they perceive to be their lost wealth. They actually believe our wealth is rightfully theirs.
So they are here stripping our economy as fast as they can and sending the money back to India by the tens of billions every year. That is their plan and goal.
They are not here to help us.
They are not qualified.
They are not capable.
They hate us and are here to rob us blind.
This explains their behavior: when a white American IT expert goes into a company to interview and an Indian is sitting behind the desk, they cannot control their rage and hatred of whites. I've even had some of them blow up and get violent on me in interviews. This despite the fact that I am 1000 times more qualified than they are.
So now you know why all this is going on: it's one huge elaborate fraud and con. They are stripping our country of wealth and technology.
They are angry that we developed into the #1 country and they didn't. They think because India is older and was once wealthy, they should be the #1 country. So now they are trying to take back what they perceive to be theirs.
That's why Wipro is destroying one company after another: their armies of workers clean out a company's wealth and in the process destroy it - thus making India richer and also destroying America's corporate prestige.
So now you know what's going on. These are not nice people. They do not think like we do. They do not HAVE consciences. Most of them are criminals.
And now you know why America is dying.
I can't country the number of mean-faced, viscous Indians I've met on IT job interviews. They HATE Americans.
OFFICIAL RECORD OF THE 109th UNITED STATES CONGRESS ON MOHANDAS K. GANDHI:
United States Congressional Record on Mohandas Gandhi
The Pratap of Lahore. In this statement, which he called his political testament, Lala Hardayal said:—
“I declare that the future of the Hindu race, of Hindustan and of the Punjab, rests on these four pillars: (1) Hindu Sangathan, (2) Hindu Raj, (3) Shuddhi of Moslems, and (4) Conquest and Shuddhi of Afghanistan and the Frontiers. So long as the Hindu nation does not accomplish these four things, the safely of our children and great-grandchildren will be ever in danger, and the safety of the Hindu race will be impossible. The Hindu race has but one history, and its institutions are homogeneous. But the Musalmans and Christians are far removed from the confines of Hindustan, for their religions are alien and they love Persian, Arab and European institutions. Thus, just as one removes foreign matter from the eye, Shuddhi must be made of these two religions. Afghanistan and the hilly regions of the frontier were formerly part of India, but are at present under the domination of Islam. . . .
…Just as there is Hindu religion in Nepal, so there must be Hindu institutions in Afghanistan and the frontier territory; otherwise it is useless to win Swaraj. For mountain tribes are always warlike and hungry. If they become our enemies, the age of Nadirshah and Zamanshah will begin anew. At present English officers are protecting the frontiers; but it cannot always be. . . .If Hindus want to protect themselves, they must conquer Afghanistan and the frontiers and convert all the mountain tribes.” Excerpted from Dr. Ambedkar’s book “Pakistan”.
@Vivek:
Firstly please have one post for all your thoughts, which one do you want me to write back to you?
Secondly Indians don't hate americans, there are surely a few who might consider their lifestyles to be superior but every pond has its set of bad fish.
Thirdly vivek, shut up. :)
Just called vmware tech support, oh some guy picked up and redirected to customer care, the call went well. I really think American call centers are awesome NOT, both the calls were directed to Bangalore India! In your face Mike, In your face!
About your rape claims, well look at the bright side, atleast women get raped, not 2 year old babies like in America! Its worse here, women and little children get raped, even worse guys get raped in the prison!
@High plains drifter: It is a notion that you are living in, that you believe that Indians are ruining your life! What about the lives that America ruined, since nam, iraq and other count less wars!
You didn't want socialism right? well this what happens in a free trade economy, companies want the best and the most importantly cheapest and so they outsource and offshore.
Look at Mike, I am eagerly waiting for his 500 page book that will be sued for plagiarism right after its release!
I am not sure if TR will publish this, but it will be fair of him to do so.
RJ
If Mike is 59, my social security dollars (that good old ponzi scheme, especially if you are H1-B) will pay for him when his foul putrid self retires. Any chance he wakes up from a nightmare screaming "Indian", points one of his many guns the wrong way, fires and and leaves a little extra oxygen and lettuce that the rest of the world so much more deserves?
What's terrible is that I am already making 100K plus at 30, so I'm almost making the maximum SS contribution.
For the other piece of garbage who was complaining about Indians destroying the US, note that my charity in terms of 30K+ in taxes each year will buy your skank of a teenage daughter a condom when she goes to goes to get her abortion terminated.
There are only one set of suckers here, it's the honest H1-Bs (no-one counts those losers who forge resumes) who are wasting our 140+ IQs on this deteriorating "western power" (my left foot).
Let's go to southeast Asia, dudes. That's where the action is. The US will be bringing their begging bowls to China soon to get their debt excused; you will soon see American mendicants in the streets of Hong Kong willing to lick your shoes clean for a penny. Would be my supreme pleasure to administer curb-biting treatment to those fools (American History X).
British teenager alleges rape in Himachal Pradesh
NEW DELHI: Police identified two suspects in the alleged rape of a British national in Palampur, Himachal Pradesh on Friday and are likely to make an arrest.
British national Emily Jiang Wilson was allegedly raped by two taxi drivers near a cafe in Palampur, Himachal Pradesh on Thursday.
The 18-year-old girl was teaching at the Lodex government school. According to sources, the girl had come from UK to teach the poor children in India under the exchange programme for 10 weeks.
Millions of imported Indian guest workers sure have been good for SV and California's economy....
Is there any hope for Silicon Valley's home, job markets?
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12648248?source=rss
Which brings up the question: Will this economic pain ever end? According to the UCLA Anderson Forecast, the job market in California will be in poor health for at least another year. "Unemployment is only going to get worse," Anderson senior economist Jerry Nickelsburg said, according to a report in the Merc.
For that matter, Silicon Valley's real estate market is still in grim shape, at least according to the latest foreclosure and default data from ForeclosureRadar. Foreclosures in Santa Clara County jumped 63 percent from the month before in April to 480. And the number of homeowners who received default notices because they were behind on their mortgages was higher, too.
I have seen a lot of emotions against Indian IT professionals. Check this link and know the guy who created the RSS feed at Apple Inc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS_(file_format)
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_web_syndication_technology
You will amazed to see the creator and also how RSS format build the iTunes and became the leading choice for podcasting. Now you tell me who owns to whom
Hey Ranjt,
Take your 'racism' and SHOVE IT:
http://theitdesk.blogspot.com/2009/06/eleven-arrested-for-h1b-visa-fraud.html
On Thursday, the U.S. Attorney's office in Iowa announced a multi-state operation that resulted in the arrest of 11 in a case of suspected H1B visa and mail fraud. The operation was carried out by federal, state and local law enforcement agencies in Iowa, California, Massachusetts, Texas, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and New Jersey.
Additionally, Vision Systems Group, an IT services firm was indicted on 10 counts, including conspiracy and mail fraud charges. According to Business Week, five other technology companies, including Worldwide Software Services and Sana Systems, remain under investigation for document fraud.
Given the recession and the bleeding taking place among American workers, H1B visas have re-emerged as a hot topic. In fact, U.S. Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) asked Microsoft to prioritize U.S. workers for retention in their ongoing layoff.
As part of the H1B program, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and the Department of Labor (DOL) require U.S. employers to meet specific labor conditions to ensure that American workers are not adversely impacted.
According to the press release:
The companies that are the subject of this investigation have asserted that the foreign workers have been brought to the U.S. to fill existing vacancies. However, the companies allegedly have not always had jobs available for these workers, thereby placing them in non-pay status after they arrive in the United States. In some cases, the foreign workers have allegedly been placed in jobs and locations not previously certified by the Department of Labor, displacing qualified American workers and violating prevailing wage laws. The companies and foreign workers have allegedly submitted false statements and documents in support of their visa petitions. The false statements and documents were mailed or wired to state and federal agencies in support of the visa applications. The companies are suspected of visa fraud, mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering and conspiracy.
Specifically, Vision Services Group is accused of stating the H1B visa workers would be employed in Iowa, and thus paid lower wages, but were placed in locations on the West and East coasts where pay is higher. This undercut the wages of U.S. workers.
History
iTunes 7.7, the previous version of iTunes
See also: iTunes version history
SoundJam MP, developed by Jeff Robbin and Bill Kincaid and released by Casady & Greene in 1999,[5] became the basis for iTunes when Apple purchased it in 2000.
Looks like the fraud created an EPIC FAIL at Apple and got his ass canned. He then went to Netscape which also shortly thereafter went into DECLINE. Thanks for proving my point that Indian IT people leave a trail of destruction wherever they go.
"Meta Content Framework (MCF) was a specification of a format for structuring metadata about web sites and other data. MCF was developed by Ramanathan V. Guha at Apple Computer between 1995 and 1997. *** When the research project was discontinued ***, Guha left Apple for Netscape, where he adapted MCF to use XML and created the first version of the Resource Description Framework (RDF)."
Chinese Defense Minister: Ethnically Cleanse America
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html
FOCUS! We're not talking about Nam or Iraq here. we're talking about indians.
People with 140+ IQ's dont shit in the open.
Indians aren't ruining my life - I'm employed, got a retirement account, I'm far from risk but I clearly see the damage that you all are inflicting on our country.
Personal attacks (blathering about condoms and daughters)on the internet are juvenile and only reveal the inconsquential nature of your intellect, you all are way behind and trying to catch up but now nobody wants you guys. Save face while you've got some respect left and get out - you're not fooling anyone anymore.
Go home, nobody here wants you and you know it.
The big question I have for Ranjit is:
Why is it ok for Indian to promote pro-Indian racism and hype Indians in IT, but when an American tries to expose their failure in IT it's called "racism". You can't have it both ways Ranjit, either you're racist or not. And if India can be racist, then Americans sure as hell can be racist too.
What goes around, comes around, India.
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"Either change laws through immigration reform or end
the H1B. Giving false hopes to H1B people and destroying 10 years of life is not fair."
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Hello, did you not notice that the PRESIDENT HAS CHANGED. The guy who gave you false hopes was VOTED OUT OF OFFICE. Do you understand?
Write a letter to George Bush with your complaints. He's the one who made you feel that way.
Don't feel too badly though -- George Bush screwed over a lot of people, not just H1B's fishing for green cards.
You were used. In America, sometimes when you get used (well a lot of the time), there is nothing you can do about it. Its called life.
You can stay and fight a losing battle if you like, or you can go back home to India and take advantage of the boom in their tech industries. Its all over the place, how awesome Indian tech companies are doing, how good the Indian economy is, how more jobs are coming to India inc... Aren't you limiting your career options here in the US? I know if I was Indian, i'd have left months ago.
All these new people mean so may chances to move up into management quickly.. and you have the global experience they are looking for.
The only reason I can think of is if you had made a horrible mistake and brought family members and such over to the US, and now they don't want to leave. You saddled yourself with too many bags.
Hitler's Mein Kampf on Indian curriculum
http://www.thejc.com/articles/hitlers-mein-kampf-indian-curriculum
"Hitler is being promoted as a management guru for business studies students in India, who are advised by lecturers to read Mein Kampf and Hitler’s autobiography for educational purposes.
Sales of Mein Kampf topped 10,000 in New Delhi alone in the past six months and are expected to rise further."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3931026&mesg_id=3931026
"When it comes to outsourcing, it would be to my mind not a right thing, to look at it negatively. As I mentioned, outsourcing has generated more employment in America itself. Indian FDI in America is more than America's FDI in India. Indian investments are more. Globally if you look at the acquisitions and merges in the last one decade, it is India which takes the lead. If we have taken 24,000-30,000 H1B visas, then we have also created huge employment."
Slumdogs insult American intelligence.
Hey Ranjit,
BusinessWeek says older workers will save the economy, not younger workers. And Fraudwha agrees. What do you have to say about that?
Entrepreneurship: The New Mid-Life Crisis
http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/running_small_business/archives/2009/06/entrepreneurshi.html
An entrepreneurial boom is on its way, but don’t expect it to be led by 20-somethings. Instead, America’s best economic recovery plan is in the hands of those aged 50 and up, according to a recent study by the Kauffman Foundation. The study found that over the past 10 years, most company founders were between the ages of 55 and 64. This goes against the stereotype of the college drop-out entrepreneur á la Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg.
So what does this mean for the U.S. economy? Should we expect a decline in productivity if those at the helm of the workforce aren’t as spry as they once were? Not at all, says Dane Stangler, the researcher who put together the study. He says the popular myth of boomers being a burden on the U.S. economy is completely unfounded. “We so often look at this aging population as a huge albatross,” he says. “But really the people who start companies that allow our economy to grow and create jobs are also the most experienced—and generally wealthier.”
The research dovetails on previous work done by Vivek Wadhwa, who found that the average age of tech company founders in the U.S. is 39. Wadhwa, a frequent BW contributor, emphasizes one key takeaway from the new study. He writes in an email that it’s not just that an entrepreneurial boom is ahead, but “it is the old guys, the baby boomers who are going to lead the charge.”
This poor naive British girl thought she was going to India to help poor kids but found out India is something altogether different: a cesspool of crime.
http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a59591.html
Many foreign tourists in Himchal Pradesh, which lures hordes of backpackers every summer, say they are scared and worried about their safety following the alleged gang rape of a British teenager in the popular tourist destination of Palampur in Kangra district.
The 18-year-old British girl, who was teaching poor children in the region as part of an exchange programme, alleged that she was repeatedly raped by two men Thursday night. They were arrested Friday.
"We are now too scared (after the rape incident) to venture out alone or to frequent the once lively restaurants and bars after dark," David Jones, a tourist from Switzerland, told IANS. He and his wife are on a holiday in this tourist town.
"Crime is everywhere in the world, but its rate is quite high in India, especially at those places which are frequented by the foreigners," Jones added.
Bob Hopson, a 23-year-old sociology student from Ireland, who arrived here a week ago with his mother, said the rape incident is really shocking.
"Everyone's really shocked... it's been pretty bad.
...
One British woman who has lived in Dharamsala for quite some time attributed the rising violence against foreigners to the huge disparity of wealth between most locals and the tourists.
"Guha was one of the early co-leaders of the Cyc Project where he worked from 1987 through 1994 at Microelectronics and Computer Technology Corporation. "
The H-1B program started in 1990 therefore he couldn't have been an H-1B. This guy proves that the H-1B program is not necessary for scientists come and invent in the U.S.
"What's terrible is that I am already making 100K plus at 30, so I'm almost making the maximum SS contribution."
CodeCorrector, can you cut out that lame story? You are not making 100K at your call center gig.
@6:02
One little piddle by some Indian and Indians think the world owes them something. Who cares that some smelly Indian came up with RSS. Many other small countries have given much more to America than shitty India.
@ All you Fat, lazy, tards of whale blubber with a "Made in America" branded at the bottom.
See, this blog lets you masturbate your fantasies ( we don't want you Indians, go home, my dicks bigger than yours etc) only because TR lets you, for the sake of his sanity and yours, whatever little is left of it, or even ever existed.
But the reality is different my pale friends, you can either live in the fantasy bubble this blog creates and excrete little floaters with juvenile pre-pubescent excitement, or reconcile the reality, accept it and move on and maybe even do something about it. But i do sense that most of you lack the cerebral gonads to owe up to your shadow, and that pretty much explains all your early exits from the rat race.
But the fact of the matter is, how much ever you all gloat in here, at the end of the day, and before you sleep, you cry a little, followed by an involuntary stream of pee, induced by the fear, because you know the reality and know that the game's all over.
So, do thank TR for his time in creating this blog, and letting you indulge, do thank Depends, for obvious reasons, and do thank the Indians for hopefully making your kids stronger, hungry and maybe more competitive.
Your days are long gone my friends. Enjoy.
I can't count the number of times I've heard from Indians "But it's not fair". Life is very fair.
American IT workers had created the greatest economy in the history of the U.S. by the late 90s. The AGREEMENT was that Indian GUEST workers would only be here during the boom and then go home. That was in 1998-1999. Here it is a DECADE later and not only are they still here, but they have TAKEN OVER and DESTROYED everything we worked so hard to build. These faking frauds have taken from us without producing anything and that is called THEFT. What is even more amazing is that Indians see nothing wrong with FRAUD and THEFT.
What is not fair is that you all are still here in violation of the ORIGINAL AGREEMENT. But then again since when do Indians adhere to their agreements? The concept is alien to them.
What is not fair is that you are still here ruining the best country in the world. And not the American people have decided that it is time for you to go.
Life is very fair - you get what you deserve. And since you have produced nothing in over a decade it is only fair that you people now all go home.
For every one Indian we import that DOES do something (and there have been a very few who have contributed), we are importing 100,000 faking frauds who are cleaning our economy out and robbing us blind. One "genius" cannot possibly make up for that huge level of griftology which is why the H-1B program is a massive net loss for the U.S. economy.
Americans most certainly are doing something about it Ranjit, we're starting to round you up and deport you as well as getting a new law passed that will put a stop to your criminal organized crime racket called India, Inc.
As for this line:
"But the reality is different my pale friends,"
Pale? Who's the racist now?
Its strange that people are worried about jobs moving to India while China and others have taken a huge chunk of manufacturing jobs from the US which is far more that some white collared jobs.
Its probably just because the white collared worker can actually post such things on the site.
BTW lets talk logic. In case of banks it was greed rather than competency of staff. If you think that a person sitting in India actually took the decision of who should and should not get a loan then its just fooling yourself. It was mainly because the banks loved the bubble as it kept growing and in order to keep it growing they had to keep the housing price rise. So the parameters to approve loans were relaxed.
So stop all the vile and abuse here and get back to basics. Business is run for profit not charity. If the business justifies jobs to be moved from US to China or India then it will be moved and vice versa.
My humble appeal to all is DONT FOOL YOURSELF. WISHFUL THINKING IS DANGEROUS.
the racist ageist indians can bleat all they want, but the fact of the matter is, the Bush administration is not in office anymore.
And the new administration isn't that keen on importing future republican voters. Because they aren't republicans
don't you understand? it never had anything to do with you being better or brighter, you were just a cash and future voter cow.
a COW. haha and you are so STUPID you don't even REALIZE you were USED LIKE A KLEENEX. And now its time to discard you.
America is switching brands.
Maybe Ranjit can explain why - if Indians are so brilliant - has the USA gone from nothing to computers and the internet in just 500 years - and why India hasn't even been able to go from nothing to indoor plumbing in 5000 years?
You people are delusional - do you seriously think the USA needs Aztecs like you? Get real. No one needs you and no one wants you. Everything you touch dies.
Perhaps instead of hating and robbing you should focus first on some basic bronze age metalurgy skills and how to pave roads so that you too can be a modern civilized country.
Guys see another Indian that worked at Apple Inc. His name is Sabeer Bhatia and he invented Hotmail. Now surely we can claim that Indian do works at Apple and they do invent.
Also I do think that cheap Indian bodyshops and crapy Infosys, Wipro and blood sucking TCS have done so harm to the image of Indians that whatever these inventors have done have been ruined. The agenda is hijacked by some loud mouths but inept IT crap managers working in these companies that any professional that wants to bring some innovation is not considerd to be thinking in line with these brain washed managers. I personally face this dilemma on my working days were it takes me extraordinary effort to even convince other nationality forks to get over any small or big technical problem.
Perhaps this H1-B bashing and reversal of fortune was necessary and will be somewhat a good experience to all the forks that short term approach always bring mud and tarnish the image. Perhaps with time Indian society will mature and see bigger picture of matters.
Also I am not Ranjit and is somebody who has started contributing so that Indians can bring the righ kind of objective discussion
@ 8:48
RSS permitted audio files to be carried in RSS feeds and helped spark podcasting.
This is what innovation is and it did contributed to help companies like Apple to become the leaders they are today and the entire concept of iTunes is based on it.
Vivek/Mike question my answers.
1. Do you considered creating hotmail by an Indian as somewhat not revolutional?
The same Hotmail was purchased by Microsoft
to be later evolved as Outlook. Also yahoo mail is also adopted from Hotmail. The guy Sabber Bhatia was the one who started online advertising on his Hotmail. Thus comapnies like Google also own him for his idea of online advertising.
2. RSS format created by Indian Ramanathan V. Guha helped sparked the podcasting and Itunes. So company like Apple owns him a lot.
So don't these 4 major IT comapnies Microsoft, Apple, Gooogle and Yahoo own a lot to these 2 great Indian computer scientists?
Also I am not Ranjit
Vivek/Mike
Another Indian that created a great company. The name of the company is Bose Corporation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amar_G._Bose
Amar Gopal Bose (born November 2, 1929) is the chairman and founder of Bose Corporation.
An American electrical engineer of Bengali descent, he was listed on the 2007 Forbes 400 with a net worth of $1.8 billion.
Bhatia worked at Apple in 1991 - just before it went into DECLINE and almost died in 1996. I know because I worked there in 1996. He worked there a short while and probably got his ass fired. That's when that moron Ellen Hancock was in charge and hiring unqualified people. I guess Bhatia didn't produce anything and got his ass canned.
And as I said, for every one example like that (and they are very rare), we are importing 100,000 faking frauds who tear up and destroy everything they touch with their fake degrees and incompetence.
As I said, Indian guest workers, imported on a large scale are a NET loss. Go look up the term NET LOSS and see what it means.
iTunes existed LONG before RSS. It was originally called SoundJam in 1999.
Podcasting was not added to iTunes until a few years ago. Heck, iPod didn't even come out until 2004. I think podcasting was added to iTunes in 2006 or so. As the Wikipedia article mentioned, iTunes was written by two Americans. So it use RSS. So what? You Indians always try to take the slightest achievement and stretch it to an entire industry. "H-1Bs invented the internet".
Sure - and so did Al Gore.
"So don't these 4 major IT comapnies Microsoft, Apple, Gooogle and Yahoo own a lot to these 2 great Indian computer scientists?"
TWO great scientists? Only two? Why not a million? MS has gone into decline since hiring mass numbers of Indian IT workers. Don't those workers who didn't perform as promised but took $ owe the USA a lot?
As I have said countless times, there are rare exceptional Indians who do create things. And America needs them.
Therefore, Indian IT immigrants should be restricted to 100 per year since the other 3,999,900 that we have imported don't appear to have created anything but instead have exported billions of $ in capital out of the U.S. economy.
Let the good ones come in. Keep everyone else out.
Bose is not an immigrant! He was BORN here. He is an American:
"The child of an Indian Bengali father and white American mother, Bose was born and raised in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania."
This just further proves my point - America is not a nation of immigrants - America was built by Americans like Bose. The fact that he was born here is what is important - not his race.
My ancestors came from Italy and Germany in the early 1900s. Do I go around bragging Germans invented anti-spam software and America will die without more immigrants from Germany? No, I don't. I am an American.
America's history is pocked with huge immigration influxes - every one of which in the 20th century led to recession or depression.
And nearly all of America's accomplishments were made by people born here. There are of course, limited exceptions - and that proves the argument for very small, controlled, limited immigration - not wide open chaos and flooding which results in economic decline.
I am all in favor of limited, small, restricted immigration to truly great people. But that is not what we have today - today it's a free-for-all with anyone and everyone who wants to come in coming in - the few good ones and the huge numbers of frauds and fakers.
I'll make you a deal: stop the 3,999,900 fakers from coming in, and I'll gladly welcome the 100 good ones - of any race whatsoever.
You see Vivek/Mike it takes millions of human male sperm not to ever fertilize a female egg, but only 1 human male sperm can ever fertilize a female egg and to create an actual human being.
According to you you want just 100 immigrants per year. But that approach will not work as my above analogy of sperm-egg goes.
How do you determine who is ever going to invent or not?
The odds of finding a genius from 100,000 are more than from finding from 100, isn't it?
In your every day work you may not see genuius or inventor, but then even Bose was born to someone who immigrated from India.
May be the Indian guy whom you hate today may bring a child to the world that may be the next Bose. But then I am not sure what the odds are of that :-), but then that is what life it, its based on random selection of 1 sperm out of million to ever fertilize a female egg and create a human being like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.
Regards,
From someone who loves both USA and India.
Vivek/Mike the point I am trying to make is in today's age and time it take 1 simple idea from someone to be experimented and refined and made into a billion $ product from companies like Apple.
May be not every inventor can create companies like Apple and Microsoft but surely they can contribute in creating a bit of an idea. That is were the strength of numbers come.
Leave it to an Indian to use a sexual analogy, but ok, I'll play along.
Your analogy is not quite correct because while the one sperm that does make it through results in conception, the millions of others don't kill the mother at the same time. So for every inventor of hotmail, or Bose, or Kohsla, there are millions who are doing untold damage to the USA. Not quite the same analogy.
You are also not counting the side effects of immigration. The mass immigration invasion of USA during the early 20th century caused the Great Depression (oversupply of cheap labor), which then led to war with our enemies (at the time Japan) because they perceived us as weakened economically. If the Great Depression had never happened, it's unlikely WW2 ever would have happened - and 70 million people would not have died as a result. So was it worth it to have a few Bose's, etc. at the cost of 70 million lives? I don't think so.
In fact, we are in the exact same cycle of history now - a boom, followed by a mass immigration wave (the wave that started in 1998 was even bigger than the early 20th century wave), then a depression (which we're in now), and then a war (WW3 is likely to follow in a few years). In the Roaring 20's England's greedy Rolls Royce businessmen sold aircraft engines and factories to Hitler. USA's greedy businessmen sold it's scrap steel to Japan.
This time it will be the west against India & China and maybe Russia with Europe and Japan on the side of the USA. It's 1939 right now and it's going to get worse. As an Indian, you are surely aware that the scrap steel from the WTC was sold to India, right? Do you think all Americans are stupid and don't know what India and China are planning?
Is mass immigration worth it? Nope. History says it isn't. We've been through these cycles of stability and chaos before and it always ends in disaster. The world then returns to sanity and everyone closes up and things go back to normal. If you think it's a good thing to keep subjecting humanity to this cycle of death over and over, then you are truly an inhuman person.
Globalization can't work. It will end in World War again as it has in the past.
"Bose is not an immigrant! He was BORN here. He is an American:
"The child of an Indian Bengali father and white American mother, Bose was born and raised in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania."
This just further proves my point - America is not a nation of immigrants - America was built by Americans like Bose"... Yes, who said, our kids ( The incoming Immigrants, wherever we come from) who will be "american", not going to be inventors?..They will be...so let the time decide..why are you to decide that? STFU and die in mental hospital as soon as you can so that we will have something else to discuss on this blog...you need a doctor...
"it takes millions of human male sperm not to ever fertilize a female egg, but only 1 human male sperm can ever fertilize a female egg and to create an actual human being."
Millions of sperm carry fake resumes too?
Even if we are a nation of immigrants, that certainly doesn't mean we are obligated to drown ourselves in them.
America is not a nation of immigrants. Currently the U.S. population is 84% native-born. That makes immigrants 16%. Before 1998 the ratio was 90% to 10%. Just a mere 6% increase in immigration from the 3rd world in 10 years has DESTROYED America's economy. Can you imagine what would happen if we really had open borders? Furthermore, in the past the vast majority of America's immigrants came from civilized European countries - not cow-urine drinking, baby-eating places like India or China.
@9.15 Mikkke Amorose aka Vivek
USA is a nation of immigrants, wether you like it or not, USA takes in about one million immigrants every year, by about 2040, the brown population ( hispanics etc) will overtake the white population.
Thats showing up in the demographics, why else do you think a black dude like Obama got elected? it was the brown swing vote that fucked up the GOP.
That Mikey is the truth, but most whites accept this whole heartedly, except for a few skid markers like yourself.
But thats fine, i know for sure that my future kids would grow up in a more tolerant America, with trash like you gone forever :-)
Your kind is yesterdays news, bye mike.
Keep dreaming Ranjit,
Majority-white America, including corporate America, is turning on you and now you are all getting fired and deported. America will never become brown-majority simply because of economics: USA is economics-driven and brownie isn't keeping the economy going. Corporate and Government leaders have now figured this out. That's why they all want you out of USA now. America's elite will not stand to have their own profits destroyed which is what Indian labor has done. Hence, you will never become a majority due to non-performance. American workers are the #1 workers in the world. India's workers are ranked 124th. NO country is going to take large numbers of you simply because you are not productive. Don't mistake the last 10 years for a general trend. You're being kicked out and the trend is about to reverse. Keep dreaming.
hindus appear to be very sensitive about images of a certain "Lord Ganesh".
I wonder how this can be used to comical advantage. Photoshop contest ahoy!
Btw being a nation of immigrants doesn't mean we are also bound to be destroyed by them.
Hey,
My company is on the verge of being driven into the ground by Wipro. We are waiting for the lies and the bloodbath of Americans. Can't EFFING wait...
BTW, my experience has been that Indians ***HATE*** Blacks. I work with a Nigerian dude (who is AWESOME, btw), who has experienced this firsthand after working with Indians. So it sounds like it's anyone who is non-Indian. Can't believe they would treat my bruthas so bad. Bet they hate Latinos and Asians, too.
Mike/Vivek - keep up the good work. You know who I am. This is another one of my aliases. Thank God for the Internet, otherwise this revolution would not happen.
To all you American haters out there - God help all of us, including you, if you take over the world, because then American would become just as big a sh*thole as your stinking country.
All the Indian girls I know want American dudes because slumdogs have shrimp d*cks. Of course, desi girls don't age well; there's nothing so fine as a blue or green-eyed American girl....
The revolution is upon us. This is a song from Mike and the Mechanics about what things will be like in the near future:
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Take the children and yourself
And hide out in the cellar
By now the fighting will be close at hand
Don't believe the church and state
And everything they tell you
Believe in me, I'm with the high command
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Theres a gun and ammunition
Just inside the doorway
Use it only in emergency
Better you should pray to God
The Father and the Spirit
Will guide you and protect from up here
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Swear allegiance to the flag
Whatever flag they offer
Never hint at what you really feel
Teach the children quietly
For some day sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stood still
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?
Can you hear me running (can you hear me calling you? )
(can you hear me) hear me calling you?
(can you hear me running) hear me running babe?
(can you hear me running) hear me running?
Calling you, calling you
If India takes over the world we can expect: no running water, mass unemployment, economic decline, trash everywhere in the street, nothing invented in 5000 years - oh wait, I just described Silicon Valley for the past 10 years.
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